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Sunday, March 21, 2010

Some responses to the Archicad FAIL post


Thanks for the responses. In the comments below, there's mention of the need for Revit to have competition.  It does.  The biggest competitor to Revit are AutoCAD users.  As long as Autodesk keeps adding Revit features to AutoCAD, who knows how long it will take for the transition to occur in the design industry.  Why does AutoCAD need parametric 3D modeling or any other Revit feature that's been added over the past 3 years.  Shouldn't it be enough to stand on its own after 28 years?  It's still layer based, too complicated to create sheet sets and the whole lack of the ability of multiple people working on the same model, definitely loses out in the workflow department.  Maybe that's what the key difference is.  Not the output, but the input.  
BIM is more about collaboration.  Simultaneous synchronization between MEP, Structural, Architectural and Interior Design, with live data to be used for energy modeling and analysis would certainly seem to be a better business approach to the design and construction of buildings.  

Let's try an experiment.  Build a 3 story building in AutoCAD and Revit.  Do plans, elevations and schedules.  Now, change the floor to floor height from 12 feet per floor to 15 feet per floor and change the ceiling heights from 10 feet to 13 feet..  Now, let's see how long it takes to make those changes in AutoCAD and Revit.   Oh, don't forget to send the updated plans to the structural and MEP engineer for updating their engineering designs.  Give up yet?  So you see, it's about the workflow and efficiency of making changes.  For those of you who don't remember, the Revit name comes from "Revise Instantly". 


Now, about those Archicad comments: 

Robin Capper March 21, 2010 1:24 AM  
From what I've seen in NZ it's more likely the type of projects being done in Revit that is attracting content providers, as much as the numbers. Larger projects, lager practices using or moving to Revit. I work outside the main Arch profession but see content from quite a few practices around the country for commercial projects. Never, yes never, encountered a project sharing Archicad models.
reluctanttheist March 21, 2010 1:26 AM  
It would probably be good for a few people in sales for the AC community to pack it in, but it would be bad for the industry. Revit needs competition, and I am all for Graphisoft mounting a battle for a market that they initially owned and are currently losing. I saw that thread on AC Talk and I found it disturbing. If AC loses the battle, what alternative to Revit will users have? I also got this one from a different post.  Things are getting interesting.
kris March 21, 2010 12:58 AM  
in the 21st Century, AutoCAD certainly has a place — in the trashcan! AutoCAD is useful for those refuseniks that will never pay money for upgrading to BIM/MEP/CAM software — however they shouldn't be a part of Autodesk's target demographic. why make all your products' the same or similar, that just weakens their global market position — the more similar ACA, ACAD, and Revit become, the less reason for people to upgrade to Autodesk's premier product line... and should they decide to switch software to a competitor, there are thousands of AutoCAD DWG-compatible clones on the market, some of them better, all of them are cheaper, and getting better and borrowing more ideas from CAD every day. AutoCAD as a companion product to Revit works, but only just—in a fully converted Revit office, AutoCAD is used to cleanup DWG files (delete/edit/scale), trace raster images and quickly draw 2D 'detail items'. the other >95% of AutoCAD's potential is lost on us, and consequently makes it a efficiency dugong—what is needed is either a stripped back version of AutoCAD LT included as part of Revit, or better still a fast, massively improved detail/family editor. whilst many people could use LT / Illustrator / Corel / Intellicad for 2D, or SketchUp / Rhino / Inventor for 3D — Autodesk ought to offer an alternative for the many users who have evolved to the next generation of design tools.

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